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- date: 2006-01-08 12.34
“It simply defies description!”
INTERVIEW WITH ROBERT BERNATOWICZ (RB)
Interviewer: Łukasz Bartecki (ŁB)
ŁB: In percentage, what are your bets that the photos are real?
RB: 100%. Having heard a conversation with the witness I got rid of any illusions. A man such as Maciej (Matthew) is not capable of lying, such “acting” is out of the question. He saw something which stopped two cars, was hovering around the place and had a shape of two bowls connected at the edges. It sounds like an X-Files-type of movie scenario, but it really happened.
ŁB: What is so mind boggling about these pictures?
RB: Everything. We received phone calls saying that “if they are real, the world has not yet seen anything like that”! I think there is a lot of truth to that statement…
ŁB: What is most shocking?
RB: I will tell you what shocked me the most. Firstly, I need to mention credibility of the witness, his good nature when he was telling me about – let me quote – “this thing hovering around the car.” But from among the four pictures there is one exceptionally phenomenal, the one showing how the whole horizon is reflected from the object’s surface… And everything fits in place, down to the minute detail! One can see a tree, a standing car, even the fact that it’s hood is opened… I have never seen anything like that! I keep receiving a lot of material from the world, from the US, but I have not seen anything like that. It simply defies description!
ŁB: What is the greatest difficulty in the research of this case?
RB: Yes, there is a problem. The problem are the participants of this event. The driver, Maciej (Matthew), has finally agreed to meet us after many weeks’ convincing. Of course he was begging us not to disclose his surname because… he was afraid of the reaction of his environment, people around him. The author of the photos is a certain kind of personality; by the way I met him on numerous occasions as I was doing my journalist work. He is simply utterly disinterested in the whole thing and there is absolutely no way he will meet to discuss it. The fact that he has made some of the best UFO pictures in the world has zero value to him. That’s the kind of a person he is.
ŁB: Don’t you think that it only gives credence to the whole story?
RB: It’s obvious. If we encounter a pushy person who has made some strange photos and with no sensitivity, with full boorishness he shows these pics to anyone at hand – we must treat such a man with, say, some distance. Unfortunately we do have a record of such cases, sometimes they border with some mental disease. Here, the situation is entirely opposite – the author of the photographs wants to be left alone.
ŁB: How do you evaluate those events?
RB: Using boxing terminology I would say that it was a “full contact fight”! First we have this object flying over a road, then engines stop in two cars, and then an unidentified object is doing a show in the sky. I don’t know if anything like that… it’s really a unique story.
ŁB: Do you think that the “black spot” is of any significance?
RB: Certainly. We have only begun collecting data and facts concerning this issue. But even now we know that some very mysterious things have been happening here. And I do not only mean road accidents and the number of people killed. An example? Last year in the summer a woman was driving out of a side road exactly in that spot. And suddenly she lost her field of vision! The road signs all became blurred. She could see nothing! She found herself on the road, the main one, and she claims she lost a number of minutes from her life. She was only very lucky that there was no car approaching!
ŁB: Those lost minutes… can it have any connection to UFOs? It sounds sort of familiar…
RB: It may be exactly as you’re saying, I am not excluding such a possibility. There are strange things happening there, and it’s a straight road! It is really hard to find an explanation as to why accidents abound exactly there. They are real tragedies… In July last year three people got killed there – a married couple from Warsaw and a citizen of Belarus. In a straight road, in broad daylight, at noon. They crash, everybody dies. It is really unusual but the locals say that it is precisely there, at the “black spot”, that people lose consciousness for a while.
ŁB: How about all that… can it be connected with this UFO object?
RB: There are two, or even three, possibilities. The first one: there is no connection at all. The second one: this place has some sort of energy which makes people lose their consciousness and therefore get killed in accidents. The third possibility is that object like that one deprive people of consciousness. But I would think the last one is the least credible.
ŁB: And which one do you think is the most credible?
RB: In this spot, or in its immediate vicinity, there is “something” that influences drivers’ behaviour. It is probably this fact that interested our mysterious object which decided to immobilize both vehicles and have a closer look at them…
ŁB: Do you think they were observing events around the cars?
RB: I have no doubts about it. I’ll tell you more: I have a feeling that on that particular day at 12:30 something happened which the participants in this “mysterious engine failure” do not remember. Quite a lot of time had passed, or rather this “something” had quite a lot of time…
ŁB: Don’t you think it may be some military technology?
RB: I think that this whole talk about military technologies is rubbish… I am a journalist and recently I have had many occasions for having a closer look at military technology… it’s no use talking about it. This object, its capability for immobilizing vehicles, they way it moved – all this excludes our earthly technology. And there was this wind…
ŁB: Exactly! Don’t you think that those gusts of wind are interesting?
RB: Yes, the wind was blowing very strongly exactly at the time the object was hovering in proximity of the cars! This wind is very suspicious… we shall have a closer look at it.
ŁB: And how about the fact that other cars were going with no problem… Isn’t it astonishing?
RB: Of course. Note that there was no electric power at all in both vehicles. As the witness is saying, “no single light was switching on, zero!” This would mean that only the two vehicles were encompassed by a force filed that made them immobilized. There was regular traffic in the road all the time… I have certain hypotheses, but I wouldn’t like to…
ŁB: What do you mean?
RB: Well, you know, it’s only a hypothesis, but I suspect that there was something huge hanging over the cars… This tiny little thing that we called “Two Bowls” in our project was only a little probe, part of something bigger. But let me stress that it is only a suspicion…
ŁB: If this was the case, then… what happened on January 8 on the E30 road?!
RB: I can see that for some time you have been asking increasingly interesting questions…
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Further comments by Mr. Wojciech Bobilewicz (Nautilus Foundation) from correspondence with UFO Evidence:
"I am taking the liberty of attaching an English translation of a witness interview as well as a short description of one such recent Polish case (the translation is rough at times due to the fact that the interviewee speaks a very specific kind of language) together with the pictures...
I hope you will find this case interesting and noteworthy."
"Regarding finding out about the case: the president of our Foundation, Mr Robert Bernatowicz, has read about the case in one of Polish tabloids. The newspaper was making a laughing stock out of it and Mr Bernatowicz went to the village to check the facts. Upon researching the case he found out that with almost absolute certainty it was a genuine close encounter case."
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About the Nautilus Foundation:
The Nautilus Foundation was established in 2001 by Mr. Robert Bernatowicz, a radio and TV journalist after the first crop circles were discovered in Wylatowo in northwestern part of Poland.